Starting with being born in Roswell, New Mexico, living in Turkey, and then settling in California, their conversation gets into how sustainable design (the idea of using less) really needs to shift to the idea of regenerative design (works more like nature or generates energy), passive solar, how today's lumber is different than old-growth lumber, Formosan termites, building with cold form steel or light gauge steel, Filippo Brunelleschi, Albrecht Dürer, the Acjachemen in Orange County, and the history of the Banning Ranch site.

Here are two examples from Carl's work — the top one's a concept from Banning Ranch and the bottom one's the Waterwise Community Center in Montclair, California.

Stay tuned after the outro to hear Carl talk more about Chinese landscape painting.

This episode was edited and mastered by Troy Lococo.

Special Guest: Carl Welty.

Links:

• How an Alien Autopsy Hoax Captured the World's Imagination for a Decade
• Ken Haggard
• Zero Net Energy
• Formosan subterranean termite
• Filippo Brunelleschi
• Albrecht Dürer
• Man Drawing a Lute (The Draughtsman of the Lute) from Fine Arts Museums of San Francisco
• Banning Ranch - About Us
• January 4-5, 2017 Oral Argument Cases in Banning Ranch case
• Acjachemen or Juaneño
• Waterwise Community Center
• Machines as the Measure of Men: Science, Technology, and Ideologies of Western Dominance to Collections by Michael Adas
• The Measure of Reality: Quantification in Western Europe, 1250-1600 by Alfred W. Crosby
• Carl Welty Architects
• Intro and outro song: "Zombie Nation" by Jose Travieso