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    <description>Talking shop with 100 people about their work and associated craft — exploring what they actually do, why they do it that way, and what changed along the way. Host Skipper Chong Warson sits down with folks to understand what's going on in their world right now. Season two explored product, design, and facilitation. The third season follows people actively building things right now.
New episodes every few weeks. Part of How This Works co.
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    <itunes:summary>Talking shop with 100 people about their work and associated craft — exploring what they actually do, why they do it that way, and what changed along the way. Host Skipper Chong Warson sits down with folks to understand what's going on in their world right now. Season two explored product, design, and facilitation. The third season follows people actively building things right now.
New episodes every few weeks. Part of How This Works co.
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, the script is flipped and Laura puts the questions to Skipper - topics include storytelling, making How This Works, life at home, and a variety of other topics</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>Recorded in their child's bedroom on a weekday, Laura and Skipper chat about his academic background in writing (English literature, playwriting) as well as his professional background as a product design director (think desktop and mobile apps among other mediums) and how that plays into storytelling, most recently resulting in the creation of How This Works, this podcast.
They also talk about their life together — newsflash: they're married and living in the San Francisco Bay area, having moved from New York City a couple of years ago. Along the way, they get into some of the differences between life in SF and NYC. They also talk about their upcoming wedding anniversary after getting married next to Jane's Carousel in Brooklyn Bridge Park.
Along with talk about his name change from Starr to Skipper (and not Optimus Prime) at the age of seven, they bring in a few questions posed from the listening audience including lessons learned from the first season of the show, calling people the name they want to be called, how crucial listening is in making a podcast, the ubiquity of imposter syndrome, using the five (5) whys to get to the root cause of a challenge as developed by Sakichi Toyoda at the Toyota Motor Corporation, team falling asleep during movies versus team staying awake during movies, and why Skipper color codes versus alphabetizing the books in his background — see photo below.
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&lt;em&gt;View of the three shelves behind Skipper's standing desk&lt;/em&gt;
Laura and Skipper also reference the following previous episodes, in order of being published, including:
* Jack Kahana (https://www.howthisworks.show/001-jake-kahana), the first episode
* Dr. Peter Chin-Hong (https://www.howthisworks.show/003-dr-peter-chin-hong), the third episode
* Selena Rosanbalm (https://www.howthisworks.show/006-selena-rosanbalm), the sixth episode
* Cassandra Carlopio (https://www.howthisworks.show/015-cassandra-carlopio), the 15th episode
* Kat Hantas and Nicole Emanuel from 21Seeds (https://www.howthisworks.show/017-kat-hantas-nicole-emanuel), the 17th episode
* Sally McRae (https://www.howthisworks.show/018-sally-mcrae), the 18th episode
* Piper Payne (https://www.howthisworks.show/020-piper-payne), the 20th episode
Stay tuned after the outro music for a bit of tape where Skipper pauses for a bit of background noise and how from where Laura's sitting, the microphone makes it looks like his nose is a black bit of foam. Special Guest: Skipper Chong Warson.
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    <![CDATA[<p>Recorded in their child&#39;s bedroom on a weekday, Laura and Skipper chat about his academic background in writing (English literature, playwriting) as well as his professional background as a product design director (think desktop and mobile apps among other mediums) and how that plays into storytelling, most recently resulting in the creation of How This Works, this podcast.</p>

<p>They also talk about their life together — newsflash: they&#39;re married and living in the San Francisco Bay area, having moved from New York City a couple of years ago. Along the way, they get into some of the differences between life in SF and NYC. They also talk about their upcoming wedding anniversary after getting married next to Jane&#39;s Carousel in Brooklyn Bridge Park.</p>

<p>Along with talk about his name change from Starr to Skipper (and not Optimus Prime) at the age of seven, they bring in a few questions posed from the listening audience including lessons learned from the first season of the show, calling people the name they want to be called, how crucial listening is in making a podcast, the ubiquity of imposter syndrome, using the five (5) whys to get to the root cause of a challenge as developed by Sakichi Toyoda at the Toyota Motor Corporation, team falling asleep during movies versus team staying awake during movies, and why Skipper color codes versus alphabetizing the books in his background — see photo below.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/c/cf372a7e-810f-4eab-8a55-34456ccc0d58/dT-H9VNM.jpg" alt="workspace-color-coded-books"><br>
<em>View of the three shelves behind Skipper&#39;s standing desk</em></p>

<p>Laura and Skipper also reference the following previous episodes, in order of being published, including:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/001-jake-kahana" rel="nofollow">Jack Kahana</a>, the first episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/003-dr-peter-chin-hong" rel="nofollow">Dr. Peter Chin-Hong</a>, the third episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/006-selena-rosanbalm" rel="nofollow">Selena Rosanbalm</a>, the sixth episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/015-cassandra-carlopio" rel="nofollow">Cassandra Carlopio</a>, the 15th episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/017-kat-hantas-nicole-emanuel" rel="nofollow">Kat Hantas and Nicole Emanuel from 21Seeds</a>, the 17th episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/018-sally-mcrae" rel="nofollow">Sally McRae</a>, the 18th episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/020-piper-payne" rel="nofollow">Piper Payne</a>, the 20th episode</li>
</ul>

<p>Stay tuned after the outro music for a bit of tape where Skipper pauses for a bit of background noise and how from where Laura&#39;s sitting, the microphone makes it looks like his nose is a black bit of foam.</p><p>Special Guest: Skipper Chong Warson.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="American Museum of Natural History in New York City" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amnh.org/">American Museum of Natural History in New York City</a></li><li><a title="How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 1 of 2" rel="nofollow" href="https://skipperchongwarson.medium.com/using-design-thinking-to-move-across-the-country-adf9f4138a09">How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 1 of 2</a></li><li><a title="How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 2 of 2" rel="nofollow" href="https://skipperchongwarson.medium.com/using-design-thinking-to-move-across-the-country-ff0c66a503c0">How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 2 of 2</a></li><li><a title="Making &quot;Black Sabbath&quot; and &quot;Paranoid&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabbath#1969%E2%80%931971:_Black_Sabbath_and_Paranoid">Making "Black Sabbath" and "Paranoid"</a></li><li><a title="Design Voices from Fjord" rel="nofollow" href="https://medium.com/design-voices/listen/home">Design Voices from Fjord</a></li><li><a title="‎Fjord Fika on Apple podcasts" rel="nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fjord-fika/id1188221550">‎Fjord Fika on Apple podcasts</a></li><li><a title="Imposter syndrome" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/imposter-syndrome">Imposter syndrome</a></li><li><a title="Starbar" rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starbar">Starbar</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Outliers: The Story of Success&quot; by Malcolm Gladwell" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/books/outliers-the-story-of-success-9780316024976/9780316017930?aid=9976&amp;listref=from-the-first-season-of-how-this-works">"Outliers: The Story of Success" by Malcolm Gladwell</a></li><li><a title="Jane&#39;s Carousel" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.janescarousel.com/">Jane's Carousel</a></li><li><a title="1922 Ohio carousel in Brooklyn besieged by Sandy" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/20993">1922 Ohio carousel in Brooklyn besieged by Sandy</a></li><li><a title="Determine The Root Cause: 5 Whys" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.isixsigma.com/tools-templates/cause-effect/determine-root-cause-5-whys/">Determine The Root Cause: 5 Whys</a></li><li><a title="Why do many mistakenly think human blood is sometimes blue?" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/02/03/513003105/why-do-many-think-human-blood-is-sometimes-blue">Why do many mistakenly think human blood is sometimes blue?</a></li><li><a title="SNL season 46 finale cold open - What I Remember About this Year" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo7SJGZ9WoA">SNL season 46 finale cold open - What I Remember About this Year</a></li><li><a title="‎John Wick (2014)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/john-wick/">‎John Wick (2014)</a></li><li><a title="‎The Matrix (1999)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/the-matrix/">‎The Matrix (1999)</a></li><li><a title="Keanu Reeves" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000206/">Keanu Reeves</a></li><li><a title="The Mosquito Coast on Apple TV+" rel="nofollow" href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-mosquito-coast/umc.cmc.5nghmxp88xe0qxhtlhfiu5r2h">The Mosquito Coast on Apple TV+</a></li><li><a title="‎The Mosquito Coast (1986)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/the-mosquito-coast/">‎The Mosquito Coast (1986)</a></li><li><a title="The Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/books/the-mosquito-coast-9780618658961/9780618658961">The Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux</a></li><li><a title="‎The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-fellowship-of-the-ring/">‎The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)</a></li><li><a title="‎Wireframe with Adobe’s Khoi Vinh" rel="nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wireframe/id1437677219">‎Wireframe with Adobe’s Khoi Vinh</a></li><li><a title="Invisibilia from NPR" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510307/invisibilia">Invisibilia from NPR</a></li><li><a title="99% Invisible" rel="nofollow" href="https://99percentinvisible.org/">99% Invisible</a></li><li><a title="Adrianne Lenker (from Big Thief)" rel="nofollow" href="https://adriannelenker.com/">Adrianne Lenker (from Big Thief)</a></li><li><a title="Prince" rel="nofollow" href="https://prince.com/">Prince</a></li><li><a title="Japanese Breakfast" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.japanesebreakfast.rocks/index">Japanese Breakfast</a></li><li><a title="Billie Eilish" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.billieeilish.com/">Billie Eilish</a></li><li><a title="BTS" rel="nofollow" href="https://bts.ibighit.com">BTS</a></li><li><a title="BTS performs &#39;Fix You&#39; (Coldplay cover) from MTV Unplugged" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60g72d4Nqss">BTS performs 'Fix You' (Coldplay cover) from MTV Unplugged</a></li><li><a title="BLACKPINK" rel="nofollow" href="http://blackpinkofficial.com/">BLACKPINK</a></li><li><a title="Custom lathe cut vinyl records from Vinylus" rel="nofollow" href="https://vinylus.com/">Custom lathe cut vinyl records from Vinylus</a></li><li><a title="&quot;St. Lucy&#39;s Home for Girls Raised by Wolves&quot; by Karen Russell" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/books/st-lucy-s-home-for-girls-raised-by-wolves/9780307276674">"St. Lucy's Home for Girls Raised by Wolves" by Karen Russell</a></li><li><a title="Intro and outro song: &quot;Zombie Nation&quot; by Jose Travieso" rel="nofollow" href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Jose_Travieso/Free_Music_Sampler_-_FreeMixter">Intro and outro song: "Zombie Nation" by Jose Travieso</a></li></ul>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Recorded in their child&#39;s bedroom on a weekday, Laura and Skipper chat about his academic background in writing (English literature, playwriting) as well as his professional background as a product design director (think desktop and mobile apps among other mediums) and how that plays into storytelling, most recently resulting in the creation of How This Works, this podcast.</p>

<p>They also talk about their life together — newsflash: they&#39;re married and living in the San Francisco Bay area, having moved from New York City a couple of years ago. Along the way, they get into some of the differences between life in SF and NYC. They also talk about their upcoming wedding anniversary after getting married next to Jane&#39;s Carousel in Brooklyn Bridge Park.</p>

<p>Along with talk about his name change from Starr to Skipper (and not Optimus Prime) at the age of seven, they bring in a few questions posed from the listening audience including lessons learned from the first season of the show, calling people the name they want to be called, how crucial listening is in making a podcast, the ubiquity of imposter syndrome, using the five (5) whys to get to the root cause of a challenge as developed by Sakichi Toyoda at the Toyota Motor Corporation, team falling asleep during movies versus team staying awake during movies, and why Skipper color codes versus alphabetizing the books in his background — see photo below.</p>

<p><img src="https://files.fireside.fm/file/fireside-uploads/images/c/cf372a7e-810f-4eab-8a55-34456ccc0d58/dT-H9VNM.jpg" alt="workspace-color-coded-books"><br>
<em>View of the three shelves behind Skipper&#39;s standing desk</em></p>

<p>Laura and Skipper also reference the following previous episodes, in order of being published, including:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/001-jake-kahana" rel="nofollow">Jack Kahana</a>, the first episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/003-dr-peter-chin-hong" rel="nofollow">Dr. Peter Chin-Hong</a>, the third episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/006-selena-rosanbalm" rel="nofollow">Selena Rosanbalm</a>, the sixth episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/015-cassandra-carlopio" rel="nofollow">Cassandra Carlopio</a>, the 15th episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/017-kat-hantas-nicole-emanuel" rel="nofollow">Kat Hantas and Nicole Emanuel from 21Seeds</a>, the 17th episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/018-sally-mcrae" rel="nofollow">Sally McRae</a>, the 18th episode</li>
<li><a href="https://www.howthisworks.show/020-piper-payne" rel="nofollow">Piper Payne</a>, the 20th episode</li>
</ul>

<p>Stay tuned after the outro music for a bit of tape where Skipper pauses for a bit of background noise and how from where Laura&#39;s sitting, the microphone makes it looks like his nose is a black bit of foam.</p><p>Special Guest: Skipper Chong Warson.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="American Museum of Natural History in New York City" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.amnh.org/">American Museum of Natural History in New York City</a></li><li><a title="How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 1 of 2" rel="nofollow" href="https://skipperchongwarson.medium.com/using-design-thinking-to-move-across-the-country-adf9f4138a09">How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 1 of 2</a></li><li><a title="How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 2 of 2" rel="nofollow" href="https://skipperchongwarson.medium.com/using-design-thinking-to-move-across-the-country-ff0c66a503c0">How to move across the country with design thinking, pt. 2 of 2</a></li><li><a title="Making &quot;Black Sabbath&quot; and &quot;Paranoid&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sabbath#1969%E2%80%931971:_Black_Sabbath_and_Paranoid">Making "Black Sabbath" and "Paranoid"</a></li><li><a title="Design Voices from Fjord" rel="nofollow" href="https://medium.com/design-voices/listen/home">Design Voices from Fjord</a></li><li><a title="‎Fjord Fika on Apple podcasts" rel="nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fjord-fika/id1188221550">‎Fjord Fika on Apple podcasts</a></li><li><a title="Imposter syndrome" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/imposter-syndrome">Imposter syndrome</a></li><li><a title="Starbar" rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starbar">Starbar</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Outliers: The Story of Success&quot; by Malcolm Gladwell" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/books/outliers-the-story-of-success-9780316024976/9780316017930?aid=9976&amp;listref=from-the-first-season-of-how-this-works">"Outliers: The Story of Success" by Malcolm Gladwell</a></li><li><a title="Jane&#39;s Carousel" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.janescarousel.com/">Jane's Carousel</a></li><li><a title="1922 Ohio carousel in Brooklyn besieged by Sandy" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/20993">1922 Ohio carousel in Brooklyn besieged by Sandy</a></li><li><a title="Determine The Root Cause: 5 Whys" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.isixsigma.com/tools-templates/cause-effect/determine-root-cause-5-whys/">Determine The Root Cause: 5 Whys</a></li><li><a title="Why do many mistakenly think human blood is sometimes blue?" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/02/03/513003105/why-do-many-think-human-blood-is-sometimes-blue">Why do many mistakenly think human blood is sometimes blue?</a></li><li><a title="SNL season 46 finale cold open - What I Remember About this Year" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo7SJGZ9WoA">SNL season 46 finale cold open - What I Remember About this Year</a></li><li><a title="‎John Wick (2014)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/john-wick/">‎John Wick (2014)</a></li><li><a title="‎The Matrix (1999)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/the-matrix/">‎The Matrix (1999)</a></li><li><a title="Keanu Reeves" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000206/">Keanu Reeves</a></li><li><a title="The Mosquito Coast on Apple TV+" rel="nofollow" href="https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-mosquito-coast/umc.cmc.5nghmxp88xe0qxhtlhfiu5r2h">The Mosquito Coast on Apple TV+</a></li><li><a title="‎The Mosquito Coast (1986)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/the-mosquito-coast/">‎The Mosquito Coast (1986)</a></li><li><a title="The Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/books/the-mosquito-coast-9780618658961/9780618658961">The Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux</a></li><li><a title="‎The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)" rel="nofollow" href="https://letterboxd.com/film/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-fellowship-of-the-ring/">‎The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001)</a></li><li><a title="‎Wireframe with Adobe’s Khoi Vinh" rel="nofollow" href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wireframe/id1437677219">‎Wireframe with Adobe’s Khoi Vinh</a></li><li><a title="Invisibilia from NPR" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510307/invisibilia">Invisibilia from NPR</a></li><li><a title="99% Invisible" rel="nofollow" href="https://99percentinvisible.org/">99% Invisible</a></li><li><a title="Adrianne Lenker (from Big Thief)" rel="nofollow" href="https://adriannelenker.com/">Adrianne Lenker (from Big Thief)</a></li><li><a title="Prince" rel="nofollow" href="https://prince.com/">Prince</a></li><li><a title="Japanese Breakfast" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.japanesebreakfast.rocks/index">Japanese Breakfast</a></li><li><a title="Billie Eilish" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.billieeilish.com/">Billie Eilish</a></li><li><a title="BTS" rel="nofollow" href="https://bts.ibighit.com">BTS</a></li><li><a title="BTS performs &#39;Fix You&#39; (Coldplay cover) from MTV Unplugged" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60g72d4Nqss">BTS performs 'Fix You' (Coldplay cover) from MTV Unplugged</a></li><li><a title="BLACKPINK" rel="nofollow" href="http://blackpinkofficial.com/">BLACKPINK</a></li><li><a title="Custom lathe cut vinyl records from Vinylus" rel="nofollow" href="https://vinylus.com/">Custom lathe cut vinyl records from Vinylus</a></li><li><a title="&quot;St. Lucy&#39;s Home for Girls Raised by Wolves&quot; by Karen Russell" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/books/st-lucy-s-home-for-girls-raised-by-wolves/9780307276674">"St. Lucy's Home for Girls Raised by Wolves" by Karen Russell</a></li><li><a title="Intro and outro song: &quot;Zombie Nation&quot; by Jose Travieso" rel="nofollow" href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Jose_Travieso/Free_Music_Sampler_-_FreeMixter">Intro and outro song: "Zombie Nation" by Jose Travieso</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <title>Kacie Lett Gordon</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2021 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Skipper Chong Warson</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode, Skipper chats with Kacie Lett Gordon about what it means to have it all</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>In today's show, Kacie Lett Gordon deconstructs the notion of having it all in our current times — she's working through that for herself with a number of other women on her podcast Fuck it All. 
We start out by talking about being a bit nervous about being on a podcast as a guest and a podcast as a host, external and internal roles, the difference between honesty and authenticity, and how different people get their energy in different ways (she gets hers with alone time while her husband gets it from being around people).
We reach into many topics during this show, including how Kacie's mom was and is a role model for her, being a mother herself, how while she felt like she theoretically had it all she felt miserable (probably as a result of late-onset postpartum depression), the double standard of calling a woman bossy versus praising a man for the same behavior, good coffee in contrast to easy coffee, the importance of the mug, the power of curiosity, and, in her words, where part of the narrative of being a woman is "if you don't dislike yourself a little bit, then you're not humble."
There's a ton of books that we talk about — non-fiction and fiction. You can find those in the show notes. We also talk about a mutual friend Jen Dary and her So Now You're a Manager program from Plucky. 
Stay tuned after the outro music to hear Kacie wonder, Who am I?
This episode was edited and mastered by Troy Lococo. Special Guest: Kacie Lett Gordon.
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    <![CDATA[<p>In today&#39;s show, Kacie Lett Gordon deconstructs the notion of having it all in our current times — she&#39;s working through that for herself with a number of other women on her podcast Fuck it All. </p>

<p>We start out by talking about being a bit nervous about being on a podcast as a guest and a podcast as a host, external and internal roles, the difference between honesty and authenticity, and how different people get their energy in different ways (she gets hers with alone time while her husband gets it from being around people).</p>

<p>We reach into many topics during this show, including how Kacie&#39;s mom was and is a role model for her, being a mother herself, how while she felt like she theoretically had it all she felt miserable (probably as a result of late-onset postpartum depression), the double standard of calling a woman bossy versus praising a man for the same behavior, good coffee in contrast to easy coffee, the importance of the mug, the power of curiosity, and, in her words, where part of the narrative of being a woman is &quot;if you don&#39;t dislike yourself a little bit, then you&#39;re not humble.&quot;</p>

<p>There&#39;s a ton of books that we talk about — non-fiction and fiction. You can find those in the show notes. We also talk about a mutual friend Jen Dary and her So Now You&#39;re a Manager program from Plucky. </p>

<p>Stay tuned after the outro music to hear Kacie wonder, Who am I?</p>

<p>This episode was edited and mastered by Troy Lococo.</p><p>Special Guest: Kacie Lett Gordon.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Fuck It All" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.itallpodcast.com">Fuck It All</a></li><li><a title="WTF is FIA, an episode of Fuck It All" rel="nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ZttmHQzlEy4zKHwGiradw?si=dtq4kTwbTm2A-FYD4PpqWw">WTF is FIA, an episode of Fuck It All</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Dare to Lead&quot; by Brené Brown" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780399592522">"Dare to Lead" by Brené Brown</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Everything Is Figureoutable&quot; by Marie Forleo" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780525534990">"Everything Is Figureoutable" by Marie Forleo</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Lean in&quot; by Sheryl Sandberg" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780385349949">"Lean in" by Sheryl Sandberg</a></li><li><a title="&quot;What Do People Do All Day?&quot; by Richard Scarry" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780553520590">"What Do People Do All Day?" by Richard Scarry</a></li><li><a title="&quot;NurtureShock&quot; by Po Bronson and Ashley Merryman" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780446504133">"NurtureShock" by Po Bronson and Ashley Merryman</a></li><li><a title="List of values from Brené Brown&#39;s &quot;Dare to Lead&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://daretolead.brenebrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Values.pdf">List of values from Brené Brown's "Dare to Lead"</a></li><li><a title="Values exercise from Brené Brown&#39;s &quot;Dare to Lead&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://daretolead.brenebrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DTL-Read-Along-Workbook-v1.pdf">Values exercise from Brené Brown's "Dare to Lead"</a></li><li><a title="A &quot;good&quot; Asian woman with Juinn Tan." rel="nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2XurpQXdPxSKV5QeDWr6J1?si=ktmv9fQES3OMQUNDGcOn3Q">A "good" Asian woman with Juinn Tan.</a></li><li><a title="&quot;The Crown&quot; on Netflix" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.netflix.com/title/80025678">"The Crown" on Netflix</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Company of One&quot; by Paul Jarvis" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780358213253">"Company of One" by Paul Jarvis</a></li><li><a title="&quot;The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck&quot; by Mark Manson" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780062457714">"The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck" by Mark Manson</a></li><li><a title="Oprah recites Dr. Maya Angelou&#39;s poem &quot;Phenomenal Woman&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTR-2kRCXj4">Oprah recites Dr. Maya Angelou's poem "Phenomenal Woman"</a></li><li><a title="&quot;How to Think Like a Monk&quot; by Jay Shetty" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781982134488">"How to Think Like a Monk" by Jay Shetty</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Group&quot; by Christie Tate" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781982154615">"Group" by Christie Tate</a></li><li><a title="&quot;The Leavers&quot; by Lisa Ko" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781616208042">"The Leavers" by Lisa Ko</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Pachinko&quot; by Min Jin Lee" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781455563920">"Pachinko" by Min Jin Lee</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Little Fires Everywhere&quot; by Celeste Ng" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780735224315">"Little Fires Everywhere" by Celeste Ng</a></li><li><a title="Kacie Lett Gordon" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.kacielettgordon.com/">Kacie Lett Gordon</a></li><li><a title="Intro and outro song: &quot;Zombie Nation&quot; by Jose Travieso" rel="nofollow" href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Jose_Travieso/Free_Music_Sampler_-_FreeMixter">Intro and outro song: "Zombie Nation" by Jose Travieso</a></li></ul>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>In today&#39;s show, Kacie Lett Gordon deconstructs the notion of having it all in our current times — she&#39;s working through that for herself with a number of other women on her podcast Fuck it All. </p>

<p>We start out by talking about being a bit nervous about being on a podcast as a guest and a podcast as a host, external and internal roles, the difference between honesty and authenticity, and how different people get their energy in different ways (she gets hers with alone time while her husband gets it from being around people).</p>

<p>We reach into many topics during this show, including how Kacie&#39;s mom was and is a role model for her, being a mother herself, how while she felt like she theoretically had it all she felt miserable (probably as a result of late-onset postpartum depression), the double standard of calling a woman bossy versus praising a man for the same behavior, good coffee in contrast to easy coffee, the importance of the mug, the power of curiosity, and, in her words, where part of the narrative of being a woman is &quot;if you don&#39;t dislike yourself a little bit, then you&#39;re not humble.&quot;</p>

<p>There&#39;s a ton of books that we talk about — non-fiction and fiction. You can find those in the show notes. We also talk about a mutual friend Jen Dary and her So Now You&#39;re a Manager program from Plucky. </p>

<p>Stay tuned after the outro music to hear Kacie wonder, Who am I?</p>

<p>This episode was edited and mastered by Troy Lococo.</p><p>Special Guest: Kacie Lett Gordon.</p><p>Links:</p><ul><li><a title="Fuck It All" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.itallpodcast.com">Fuck It All</a></li><li><a title="WTF is FIA, an episode of Fuck It All" rel="nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/4ZttmHQzlEy4zKHwGiradw?si=dtq4kTwbTm2A-FYD4PpqWw">WTF is FIA, an episode of Fuck It All</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Dare to Lead&quot; by Brené Brown" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780399592522">"Dare to Lead" by Brené Brown</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Everything Is Figureoutable&quot; by Marie Forleo" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780525534990">"Everything Is Figureoutable" by Marie Forleo</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Lean in&quot; by Sheryl Sandberg" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780385349949">"Lean in" by Sheryl Sandberg</a></li><li><a title="&quot;What Do People Do All Day?&quot; by Richard Scarry" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780553520590">"What Do People Do All Day?" by Richard Scarry</a></li><li><a title="&quot;NurtureShock&quot; by Po Bronson and Ashley Merryman" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780446504133">"NurtureShock" by Po Bronson and Ashley Merryman</a></li><li><a title="List of values from Brené Brown&#39;s &quot;Dare to Lead&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://daretolead.brenebrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Values.pdf">List of values from Brené Brown's "Dare to Lead"</a></li><li><a title="Values exercise from Brené Brown&#39;s &quot;Dare to Lead&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://daretolead.brenebrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DTL-Read-Along-Workbook-v1.pdf">Values exercise from Brené Brown's "Dare to Lead"</a></li><li><a title="A &quot;good&quot; Asian woman with Juinn Tan." rel="nofollow" href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/2XurpQXdPxSKV5QeDWr6J1?si=ktmv9fQES3OMQUNDGcOn3Q">A "good" Asian woman with Juinn Tan.</a></li><li><a title="&quot;The Crown&quot; on Netflix" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.netflix.com/title/80025678">"The Crown" on Netflix</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Company of One&quot; by Paul Jarvis" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780358213253">"Company of One" by Paul Jarvis</a></li><li><a title="&quot;The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck&quot; by Mark Manson" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780062457714">"The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck" by Mark Manson</a></li><li><a title="Oprah recites Dr. Maya Angelou&#39;s poem &quot;Phenomenal Woman&quot;" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTR-2kRCXj4">Oprah recites Dr. Maya Angelou's poem "Phenomenal Woman"</a></li><li><a title="&quot;How to Think Like a Monk&quot; by Jay Shetty" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781982134488">"How to Think Like a Monk" by Jay Shetty</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Group&quot; by Christie Tate" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781982154615">"Group" by Christie Tate</a></li><li><a title="&quot;The Leavers&quot; by Lisa Ko" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781616208042">"The Leavers" by Lisa Ko</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Pachinko&quot; by Min Jin Lee" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9781455563920">"Pachinko" by Min Jin Lee</a></li><li><a title="&quot;Little Fires Everywhere&quot; by Celeste Ng" rel="nofollow" href="https://bookshop.org/a/9976/9780735224315">"Little Fires Everywhere" by Celeste Ng</a></li><li><a title="Kacie Lett Gordon" rel="nofollow" href="https://www.kacielettgordon.com/">Kacie Lett Gordon</a></li><li><a title="Intro and outro song: &quot;Zombie Nation&quot; by Jose Travieso" rel="nofollow" href="https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Jose_Travieso/Free_Music_Sampler_-_FreeMixter">Intro and outro song: "Zombie Nation" by Jose Travieso</a></li></ul>]]>
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