Happy Monday, tomorrow we're airing a conversation with Selena Rosanbalm about what it's like to be working as an independent musician having released an album in 2020. But today, we're listening to a conversation that Krista Tippett had with Alison Gopnik when her book, "The Gardener and the Carpenter", came out Jan last year.

You can listen to the interview here: https://onbeing.org/programs/alison-gopnik-the-evolutionary-power-of-children-and-teenagers/. We would highly recommend the unedited version, runs a bit longer but we find these editions to be more staisfying.